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Hi there! I've seen these misconceptions as of recent and would like to take some time to clear them up.

1. Twice is not the first group to have Japanese members. Their debut date was October 20, 2015. Let's look at other groups that debuted previously with Japanese members.
route φ - Debuted April 26, 2002 - Member: Marina (They were a duo. The other member was Sooyoung, who would later debut in SNSD.)
A'ST1 - Debuted April 17, 2008 - Member: Tomo
Cross Gene - Debuted June 11, 2012 - Member: Takuya
SKarf - Debuted August 16, 2012 - Member: Hana (Who later redebuted as Léa in Secret Number!)
Peach Girl - Debuted December 18, 2013 - Member: Yuka
MOA - Debuted February 23, 2014 - Member: Yui
D.holic - Debuted October 23, 2014 - Member: Rena
So, while they are the first group to have a Japanese line, please check out these other groups who had Japanese members before Twice. D.holic is one of my favorites. ^^

2. Holland is not the first LGBTQ+ k-pop idol.
Consider:
Harisu, a transgender woman who debuted in 2001 and is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous.
Lady, the k-pop group made of all transgender women that debuted in 2007.
MAMAN/Magolpy, an artist who debuted under Jerry Entertainment who came out as lesbian in 2007.
Hyeongseong of the group D.I.P, who came out as bisexual on his Facebook.
B.nish and Seungho, also of the group D.I.P, who were/are still? (The group basically disbanded, I don't know what they're up to now.) dating.
Two members of the 2001 group K'pop who were dating. One cheated with another male idol from a different group. The identities are not known.
Hansol, formerly of Topp Dogg, who came out as asexual in 2017. (And yes. Asexual is very much a part of LGBTQ+. I do not want to hear otherwise. Ace and aro people are very valid and are a welcomed part of this community.)
Choi Hanbit, a transgender woman who debuted in girl group MERCURY in 2016.

3. Group XYZ is mistreated.
Woah, there. There is a BIG difference versus mistreated and mismanaged. Wooyeop and Taeseon of TRCNG? They were physically assaulted and abused by staff. The members lived in a very cramped apartment that was old, had water leakage, and wasn't properly maintained. The electricity and water was often cut off because the bills weren't paid. One of these times, their boiler was shut off and sme of the members caught the flu. They still had to perform, and they had to pay for hospital visits themselves. TS Entertainment only paid the bills when a final notice was sent, and Taeseon reminded them that they needed to pay. Their apartment had broken appliances, such as a broken toilet. All ten members had one toilet that they shared, and even that still needed to be fixed. Wooyeop's mother paid for the plumbing herself, because TS didn't respond when the members asked for a plumber. The other members' moms also helped to pay to fix things, even contacting the agency, although they didn't get a response. Members bought their own clothing and food. On a worse note, some staff members got drunk and cursed at the members, and even invited an underage member to an illegal entertainment bar, which often has prostitu*ion. TRCNG earned $230,000 in USD, but apparently owe their company $1.2 billion. Each member recieves only 1% of profits. This? This is mistreatment.
Mismanagement is CLC, who got screwed over so many times. La Vie en Rose was their song, but it was give to Iz*One. They weren't promoted well. Then, Cube effectively hung them out to dry when they weren't doing well. That is mismanagement, not mistreatment.


You can ask me to talk about more misconceptions, and please tell me what you think :)
 

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THANK YOU for talking about the true difference between mistreatment and mismanagement. I mean ofc effects of mismanagement on mental health is important to discuss but omg your group is not being mistreated just because they haven’t had a comeback in 7 months. Mistreatment is when their money is withheld from them. Mistreatment is when they’re forced to perform when sick or injured. Mistreatment is when they’re exploited either for the fans pleasure or even worse the company staff. There are so many cases of mistreatment which are important to discuss and I cannot stand when people compare these cases to other groups who just have companies who are making bad choices with promotions alone
 

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THANK YOU for talking about the true difference between mistreatment and mismanagement. I mean ofc effects of mismanagement on mental health is important to discuss but omg your group is not being mistreated just because they haven’t had a comeback in 7 months. Mistreatment is when their money is withheld from them. Mistreatment is when they’re forced to perform when sick or injured. Mistreatment is when they’re exploited either for the fans pleasure or even worse the company staff. There are so many cases of mistreatment which are important to discuss and I cannot stand when people compare these cases to other groups who just have companies who are making bad choices with promotions alone
I know! I see that too, and I feel like it's an important distinction to make. Sometimes people just don't realise that they're using the wrong term, so I hope this helps others /g
 

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The difference between mistreatment and mismanagement.
For example, an idol not getting enough lines/screen time... is mismanagement.
But an idol being starved, overworked to exhaustion, physically/emotionally abused... is mistreatment.
 

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The difference between mistreatment and mismanagement.
For example, an idol not getting enough lines/screen time... is mismanagement.
But an idol being starved, overworked to exhaustion, physically/emotionally abused... is mistreatment.
...Which is what I explained above. /nm
 

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- that all the idols are 2-faced, like i cant even begin to tell yall how much i hate when people say this. not all idols are bad people and not all idols hate what they do. Most are kind people that are doing what they love.
- that all companies are corrupt. A lot are, yes, but all companies are strict when it comes to managing their groups and idols, and that doesnt mean they're corrupt or that they mistreat their idols. The entire industry *is* corrupt in a way, but most companies i'd say arent that bad compared to TS or any other company thats actually horrible and corrupt.
 

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I'd like to maybe add the difference between overrated and overhyped.
Calling a group or an idol overhyped doesn't mean they're not talented but considered hyped to an excessive degree while overrated means rated or valued too highly and actually not that special. I think overhyped is a more accurate term for some stuff in kpop.
I also find it a bit silly to call overlooked members in popular groups underrated because actual underrated members in other groups would "kill" to be in their place (jk). I do that too sometimes but when I'm re-thinking about it, it feels a little wrong to me.
 

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I'd like to maybe add the difference between overrated and overhyped.
Calling a group or an idol overhyped doesn't mean they're not talented but considered hyped to an excessive degree while overrated means rated or valued too highly and actually not that special. I think overhyped is a more accurate term for some stuff in kpop.
I also find it a bit silly to call overlooked members in popular groups underrated because actual underrated members in other groups would "kill" to be in their place (jk). I do that too sometimes but when I'm re-thinking about it, it feels a little wrong to me.
I agree with your third opinion! Like calling certain Twice members "underrated". Uh-uh, sis. They are not underrated. GWSN? They're underrated. fromis_9? Absolutely. Pentagon? The loves of my life and I'm definitely not biased? Yes. How about BVNDIT? Sure. These are underrated groups. Just because... Let's say, Joy from Red Velvet isn't as popular as the other members, does not mean she is underrated.
 

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that somebody had to have paved the way. i see so many arguments over who paved the way, and it's so silly. no one group or idol "paved the way." first of all, what exactly does that mean? the first to do smth? if that's so, you need to be looking at 1st gen. first to do smth well, or have it get popular? well, psy was the first kpop artist (that ik of) to blow up in the us, specifically. nobody says he paved the way. i think you could say everybody did smth to "pave the way" if you really look. you may say aespa is paving the way for ai/sci-fi concepts, but alexa has been doing that for yrs (just not as great of a degree). so maybe they both did. idk if this is making sense, but yeah. there doesn't have to be just one group/idol who paved the way.
 

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that somebody had to have paved the way. i see so many arguments over who paved the way, and it's so silly. no one group or idol "paved the way." first of all, what exactly does that mean? the first to do smth? if that's so, you need to be looking at 1st gen. first to do smth well, or have it get popular? well, psy was the first kpop artist (that ik of) to blow up in the us, specifically. nobody says he paved the way. i think you could say everybody did smth to "pave the way" if you really look. you may say aespa is paving the way for ai/sci-fi concepts, but alexa has been doing that for yrs (just not as great of a degree). so maybe they both did. idk if this is making sense, but yeah. there doesn't have to be just one group/idol who paved the way.
And if we're talking, SNSD actually opened for an American artist years ago. Your popular groups did not pave the way. They helped, but they are not the only ones. If we're really talking, Seo Taiji & The Boys paved the way for k-pop to even really start.
 

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And if we're talking, SNSD actually opened for an American artist years ago. Your popular groups did not pave the way. They helped, but they are not the only ones. If we're really talking, Seo Taiji & The Boys paved the way for k-pop to even really start.
exactly! if anybody were to have paved the way, it's 1st gen idols and before. bts, blackpink, bigbang, snsd whoever ppl wanna say paved the way - they wouldn't have even existed if not for the ppl that came before them
 

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I wish people would search about certain groups before calling them underrated or nugu
I see more and more calling 1st and 2nd gen groups even respected soloists underrated or nugu.
I mean Yes newer generations groups are popular now, but they WERE also popular in their time.
Just because newer people to KPOP don't know about them doesn't necessarily mean they are underrated.
Low views in their MVs? I- not many of us have access to a lot of things back then. Some of us download songs or videos to listen or watch On the Go and saving money to see them perform live. " why not rise the views now?" we often watch on free time, but the primary concerns is THE BILLS to pay. they don't pay themselves :" gotta work extra hours for it too. percentage of the paychecks went to the groups .

Please please please research Korean Wave or K Wave which is more known as Hallyu these days.
it's a korean phenomenon started in asian regions.

The breakthrough for K-pop came with the debuts of TVXQ (2003), SS501 (2005), Super Junior (2005), the early success of BIGBANG (2007–present), and other artists hailed by a BBC reporter as "household names in much of Asia."[73] In 2003, South Korean girl group Baby V.O.X. released a Chinese single entitled "I'm Still Loving You" and topped various music charts in China, making a huge fanbase there. Both "I'm Still Loving You" and their subsequent Korean single "What Should I Do" also charted in Thailand.

^cited on Wikipedia

I believe KPOP only started to enter the west in 2010 by BoA and SE7EN and blew up entirely because of PSY "Gangnam Style"
"but some of them are problematic..or have criminal records " ...I'm not denying that, but that doesn't mean for anyone to undermine their achievements. I am not also saying everyone has to know about them or love them. I'm merely saying do not disrespect what they have done to get KPOP the way it is today. -end-
 

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- Every person who likes kpop is a teenage girl (nothing against being a teenage girl but I'm 22)
- Ever mankae is cute but savage
- Mismanage vs Mistreat
- Kpop idols don't date (they totally do, we just don't know)
- Every member of a group gets along
- The oldest member is the leader
 

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They aren't popular in the US means they're flops. I've seen this everywhere on twitter. They'll call some of the most successful acts in all of Asia flops because they aren't as big in America. The math isn't mathing. Just because you as an American don't know who they are doesn't mean they're irrelevant flops that's such a narrow view of the music industry on a Global scale. I am American but it's so silly to see these people think that the worl revolves around one country
 

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- Every member of a group gets along
yes! nobody ever talks abt this, but it's true. not all ppl click or mesh together, and that's okay. some ppl act like grp members not liking each other is the worst thing in the world lol; but as long as they don't bully each other, it's lierally not a big deal
 
- Every person who likes kpop is a teenage girl (nothing against being a teenage girl but I'm 22)
- Ever mankae is cute but savage
- Mismanage vs Mistreat
- Kpop idols don't date (they totally do, we just don't know)
- Every member of a group gets along
- The oldest member is the leader
The Maknae part was something I thought about
 

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that somebody had to have paved the way. i see so many arguments over who paved the way, and it's so silly. no one group or idol "paved the way." first of all, what exactly does that mean? the first to do smth? if that's so, you need to be looking at 1st gen. first to do smth well, or have it get popular? well, psy was the first kpop artist (that ik of) to blow up in the us, specifically. nobody says he paved the way. i think you could say everybody did smth to "pave the way" if you really look. you may say aespa is paving the way for ai/sci-fi concepts, but alexa has been doing that for yrs (just not as great of a degree). so maybe they both did. idk if this is making sense, but yeah. there doesn't have to be just one group/idol who paved the way.
Stans spend all their time trying to build up one single group and tear down every other. In many fandoms, it's considered shameful to be a multi-stan, because you have less time to spend on your ult or whatever, or aren't "loyal". The fandom seems so divided, it's silly. If I was an idol, if someone listed me as someone who helped to pave the way, alongside others, I'd feel SO PROUD, because to know I've been recognised for anything I've done would be an honour. In reality, every artist paves the way for future artists, and opens new doors. The industry is interlocked. Instead of everything being a competition about who can do it best, we should celebrate everyone's contributions in the different areas of the industry

(Ik this is more a rant, just my 2 cents)
 
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