Could We Actually Be Approaching 5th Gen? [DISCUSSION]

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Note: before I begin the discussion, I want to note that I am a girl group stan, and have little knowledge on boy groups in terms of debuts and impact etc. I did do a little bit of googling for some of the boy groups I've heard of, but if you wish to contribute more please do!

So, as we all know, 4th gen began in 2018 with the debuts of (G)I-DLE and IZ*ONE predominantely signifying the beginning of the new generation. Within this generation, a new sound has been created. The popular sexy concept of 2nd gen is now long gone, and the cute concept of 3rd gen dying rapidly, the new generation is predominantly known for its elegant or intense concepts.

For many years, whenever a new group has debuted, a "new generation" is questioned. However, many have rightfully pointed out that 4th gen had not been around for a very long time, and so claiming 5th gen was on its way was seen as ridiculous. However, it is now half way through 2022. This means 4th gen has been around for nearly 4 years.

While that may not seem like a long time, let's compare the widely accepted ranges of different generations.
Generation 1 is often considered the longest generation due to the fact Kpop was still finding an identity and wasn't really stable. A lot of sources also widely claim of a generation 1.5, which also gets grouped within the timeline of generation 1. According to a source I found, generation 1 is considered between 1990 and 2004 and consisted of acts like BoA and S.E.S. This means the generation is considered to have lasted 14 years.
Next was Generation 2, which is a lot more recognised by 3rd and 4th gen stans in comparison to 1st gen. It is considered to have begun in 2005 and lasted until 2011. The second generation saw a massive increase in the number of competing groups, with groups such as SNSD and 2NE1 competitng in the girl group sector, as well as SHINee and Big Bang in the boy group sector (as well as MANY others!). This means the generation is considered to have lasted 6 years.
Generation 3 is the most likely the generation most people here are familiar with. While it began in 2012 (groups such as AOA and EXO), many groups that truely represent the 3rd generation debuted between 2014-2017, such as TWICE, Red Velvet, Monsta X, NCT and of course, BTS and BLACKPINK. While we mustn't forget the importance of the generations that walked before us that helped solidify kpop to what it is today, the 3rd gen was the time we begun to see Kpop really spread across the world, and many current stans found kpop due to 3rd gen groups (mainly BTS and BLACKPINK). The 3rd gen ended in 2017, making it the shortest generation so far, with only 5 years.

So that takes us to now. 2024 could mark the beginning of generation 5 if we use the 5 year time slot that gen 3 lasted for. However, the idea of generations is very complicated. Usually, a new generation is marked by the debut of a very significant group. If we look at 2022, I would personally say that if generation 4 had lasted longer, 2022 could've easily marked the beginning of a new generation. So far, we've had groups such as IVE, Le Sserafim and NMIXX debut and really change the kpop scene (for girl groups). So if these major groups have already debuted in the 4th gen, what could possibly mark the beginning of gen 5?

Usually, the big 3 (yes, big 3) companies have debuted groups that really solidified themselves as part of a generation. For example, if we look at JYP Entertainment, we can see Wonder Girls and Miss A in Gen 2, TWICE in Gen 3, and ITZY and NMIXX in Gen 4. JYP produces girl groups at a very excellerated rate. Their next girl group is likely to be 3-4 years from NMIXX, which would fall around 2025. We also are yet to see a new YG Girl Group to follow from BLACKPINK's legacy. As we are still waiting for this to happen, I personally believe that when YG's next girl group debuts, that will be the starting point of Gen 5.

What do you personally think about this theory?
 
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Oh wow. I never really thought about this. I admire all the research to make this. I personally don't think we reached the 5 gen yet. I don't even think were even close to it. I think generations should end when the time is right, not set a deadline for it. I feel like the 5 gen will come around 2030. Cause lots of groups are debuting this is the perfect time for groups to become popular but its also like a phase. Lots of groups are coming out non-stop. Back then it wasn't like this. I think the 5 gen should come once 4 gen companies/groups slowly stop debuting and less and less groups come out. I don't think there should be a set time for the '5 generation' to come out. I personally think it should stay 4 gen. Amazing theory, thanks for sharing!! :p:p(y)
 

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Oh wow. I never really thought about this. I admire all the research to make this. I personally don't think we reached the 5 gen yet. I don't even think were even close to it. I think generations should end when the time is right, not set a deadline for it. I feel like the 5 gen will come around 2030. Cause lots of groups are debuting this is the perfect time for groups to become popular but its also like a phase. Lots of groups are coming out non-stop. Back then it wasn't like this. I think the 5 gen should come once 4 gen companies/groups slowly stop debuting and less and less groups come out. I don't think there should be a set time for the '5 generation' to come out. I personally think it should stay 4 gen. Amazing theory, thanks for sharing!! :p:p(y)
Oh yeah ofc. There shouldnโ€™t be a specific time 5th gen SHOULD arrive. Itโ€™ll come when it should come. I just wanted to theorise about what could trigger that change
 

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I usually go by the big 3 groups thing.
So when JYP/YG/SM both debut a new girl group and boy group after their most recent ones it'll be the 5th gen for me.
I also think new generations bring different aspects of kpop. For example the 3rd gen was quite vocal heavy and relied more on cuter concepts, while the 4th has been the opposite. I think it will be obvious that we have entered a new generation when something new becomes popular
 

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I usually go by the big 3 groups thing.
So when JYP/YG/SM both debut a new girl group and boy group after their most recent ones it'll be the 5th gen for me.
I also think new generations bring different aspects of kpop. For example the 3rd gen was quite vocal heavy and relied more on cuter concepts, while the 4th has been the opposite. I think it will be obvious that we have entered a new generation when something new becomes popular
Definitely. I feel like the concept aespa and NMIXX have been working with will start gaining popularity. Rn not as many groups are doing it but I feel like thereโ€™s going to be a massive wave of less structured songs soon. I feel like we will 100% know when a new generation has been entered because there will be a sound weโ€™ve never heard before present
 

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i don't think we're in or abt to enter 5th gen yet. idrc much abt generations, i'll listen to whoever, but 5-6 yrs per generation seems reasonable. much of the previous gen has had time to establish themselves and are now seasoned grps. but it's hard to put a time period on generations, and there's even debate on when gen y and gen z begin/end etc, as well as for other gens of ppl. i think that whenever 5th gen gets here, we'll see a noticeable change in style/concepts. 3rd gen became apparent during the shift from sexy to cute concepts, and 4th gen w the shift from cute to intense and dark concepts. 4th gen to 5th will probably be smth similar, when there's a noticable shift in the most common/popular concepts
 

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It does..but also theyre debuting a new Japanese-Korean boy band..and their years are 2007/2009
I'm 2007!!!!!
 

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WHATTTTT !??!?!? I have literally been into K-pop since late 2020 . 4th Gen K-pop hasn't even been around that long , and we're already getting conversations of 5th Gen K-pop starting ?!?!?!? I have literally been seeing K-tube videos with titles mentioning that 5th Gen is already starting , and the more that I hear it , the more that I feel like that that is true . I mean , we're getting and groups left and right , from big companies like YG and SM , along with a new NCT sub-unit in April , and new KQ group at the end of this month , and so many comebacks . I think it's the fact that all of these big companies are preparing to debut more groups to keep people watching them .

But honestly , I don't think that any of the big companies need anymore groups as of right now . SM has absolute legends and icons under them , JYP has Stray Kids , TWICE , and Nmixx . But honestly , I can see YG getting ready to debut another group . Since multiple of their biggest artist have left , along with the departure of Mashiho and Yedam from TREASURE . So them getting ready to debut a new girl group makes the most sense to me . Their posistion as one o the Big Three companies in K-pop is madddddd shaky . But SM , besides all of the company drama that they have going on , with Lee Sooman and Chris Lee just havvvvving to drag their stupid-ass family drama into our mess , their posistion as Number 1 in the Big Three is stable . They have NCT , EXO , SHINee , SNSD , Aespa , and Red Velvet . And they have more coming for us . They are safe , and I think that is going to stay that way for a very long time .

With JYP , they're good . They have TWICE and Stray Kids , so they're not leaving the Big Three any time soon either .

HYBE is doing great with their groups too . They have BTS , TXT , who are 4th Gen leaders , ENHYPEN , NewJeans , and Le Sserafim . They are doing just fine , besides the shit that is going on with them , SM , and Kakao .

It's YG that we should be worried about . They have TREASURE and BLACKPINK , but their posistion as a top company in K-pop is mad shaky . I think that one thing that has to do with it is YG , the big mousy-looking ass ***** himself . He is a mad crusty person . We should all know what went down with him back in 2019 and shit . I mean , Jaywhypee and Lee Sooman are pretty crusty too , but Jaywhypee has the benefit of being memed so hard by us K-pop stans , and Lee Sooman is literally the father of K-pop , and has made a bunch of iconic songs , and legendary groups . JYP and YG too . Lee Sooman also has the benefit of us paying attention to all of the drama that is going on with the company . It helps to keep him relevant . SM and JYP are going to be staying relevant for a long time , but YG has already fallen off as a person . His ass is crusty , and it doesn't help that a bunch of his artists have just left the company like that .

And with groups like NCT , ATEEZ , ENHYPEN , TXT , Stray Kids , and many more boy-groups and girl-groups on the rise when it comes to popularity , along with the future Boy's Planet group , and us getting new debuts from so many companies , I can't help but feel like the 5th Generation of K-pop may be more closer to us than we have first thought . But can we at least wait , like , a few more years before we all just start saying "Ohhhhh , look , since all of these companies are debuting new groups , we're about to begetting into the 5th Generation of K-pop !!!!" Mind you , all of these 4th Gen groups are fairly young . and even NCT and Stray Kids , who have actually debuted near the end of the 3rd Generation , are considered 4th Gen , because that was when they have gotten an extreme boost in popularity . ATEEZ , TXT , and ENHYPEN have all debuted in the 4th Generation , and they have all gained a huge increase in popularity too . The Boyz too , and I would also consider CIX too .

I mean , I did watch a K-tube video where the OP said that as time goes by , the K-pop Generations are going to go by faster and faster , with things like trend coming and going , and companies dishing out more groups than we can handle . I am a mulit-stan , and it is already hard enough to keep up with all of the groups that I stan , but to add more groups into the mix ?!?!!? This is just a recipe for disaster ?!?!?! I haven't even been into K-pop for three fucking years , but I am already feeling the exhaustion and mental strain of being in this community for this long !!!! It doesn't help that I get thing like racism and cultural appropiation scandals throw at me left and right . And let's not forget how the K-pop industry as a whole is built off of Black culture , and as a Black person , that is going to be a conversation for another day .

Don't even get me started on Stan Twitter . I have an account their , and I have had more than enough of my fair share of fights and posting toxic shit there . But that will also be a discussion for some other time , because this post is about the 4th-5th Generation of K-pop , not Cultural appropiation or racism , and not about Stan Twitter , or just Stan social media in general . Those are conversations for another time , and I have already spent enough time on this forum page . So i'm out y'all !!!!

And also , if anyone is curious . My name on Twitter is HELLO FUTURE (account closed) . I post a bit there , so is you want to see me dish out more than I can serve , just go there !!!!
 

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Was that TNX ?!?!? Because I heard that their maknae , Tanaka Koki , was born in Januray of 2009 . He was born like , 8 or 9 months before me !!!! But they didn't debut him , because he is so young , but I hope that he would be able to debut in the future , because is super cute and talented . The only other one that I can think of is NCT Tokyo , but the maknae of that group is Korean and born in 2003 . But honestly , the discussion of Minors in K-pop , and minors portrayed in the media is just a whole entire conversation that I am not in the mood to have right now .
 

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i think within generations there can be phases because ateez gidle skz loona 4th gen is different than ive le sserafim newjeans 4th gen i think maybe next year we will reach a new phase of 4th gen but we are for sure not near 5th gen like boys planet claims if anything they'll be like the next phase of 4th gen
 

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i think within generations there can be phases because ateez gidle skz loona 4th gen is different than ive le sserafim newjeans 4th gen i think maybe next year we will reach a new phase of 4th gen but we are for sure not near 5th gen like boys planet claims if anything they'll be like the next phase of 4th gen
I agree quite strongly with this. The 4th gen that we saw with groups like ITZY, IZ*ONE, GIDLE, TXT, ATEEZ etc feels so separate from the current 4th gen. Like IVE, LE SSERAFIM and NewJeans (the current 3 main ggs) do not feel like they belong under the same umbrella as the older 4th gen groups. But then some groups like Kep1er do. I feel like generations are so complicated because thereโ€™s no way 4th gen ended that quickly-
 

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I agree quite strongly with this. The 4th gen that we saw with groups like ITZY, IZ*ONE, GIDLE, TXT, ATEEZ etc feels so separate from the current 4th gen. Like IVE, LE SSERAFIM and NewJeans (the current 3 main ggs) do not feel like they belong under the same umbrella as the older 4th gen groups. But then some groups like Kep1er do. I feel like generations are so complicated because thereโ€™s no way 4th gen ended that quickly-
Thats why I think we're in 4.5 gen rn. No way 5th gen has started yet
 
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